Hair coloring question

topic posted Fri, April 15, 2011 - 1:22 AM by  Shantastic!
My daughter (15) has been coloring her hair black with non-permanent hair color. She has done this about 5-6 times now. But now she wants to go back to close to her original brown with some subtle red tones. She picked out a *permanent* color she liked.

So I actually have TWO questions...

1) Can the permanent be applied over the non-permanent without too much damage?

2) Will the permanent BROWN be able to override the non-permanent BLACK?

Thanks so much for any and all info!

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Los Angeles
  • Re: Hair coloring question

    Fri, April 15, 2011 - 4:40 AM
    How long since she used the last semi-permanent color? It should fade out (mostly) within a month. My hair will stain from the semi-perm red that I use in the Autumn, so I have to compensate with a heavily ash toned blonde to get back to my natural color. If her hair is stained so much that it's still black after the fade-off period, she's going to have to use a higher lift color to get what she is looking for. Might be best to have a pro do it the first time. As for doing it right after doing a temp black, I don't know, sorry. I always wait until mine has washed out as much as it's going to.
  • Re: Hair coloring question

    Fri, April 15, 2011 - 10:35 AM
    She should wait a month for most of the black to wash out. (A lot of colors say semi-permanent, but use a low-volume peroxide, and don't really wash out that much, so after several uses, it might be pretty damn permanent by now)

    She can help it go by using Prell, or dishwashing soap, to strip the color instead of regular shampoo. Also, L'Oreal makes a color remover called Color Oops that should also do the trick.

    She should NOT use the brown over a fresh black dye job. If she's too impatient to wait, she should go to a pro for this.
    • Re: Hair coloring question

      Fri, April 15, 2011 - 4:38 PM
      Thanks, ladies!

      It's been at least a month, but it's still pretty darned black. My understanding of permanent coloring is that the first step of the process is stripping the current color (natural or otherwise, and of course I expect only to an extent), so I was hoping that would reduce the black ahead of the brown. My biggest concern is not doing something to make all her hair fall out! I will have her wash with dish soap tonight and see what that does, and perhaps tomorrow I will venture out in search of the Oops.

      Thanks again.
      • Re: Hair coloring question

        Wed, April 20, 2011 - 8:26 PM
        Color Oops (find Extra Strength if you can) works GREAT. I dyed my hair permanent jet black once, on a whim, left it in for a few weeks, HATED IT, and then stripped it out with Color Oops. It got all the colour out! Be sure to follow the directions to the letter, though. There's a lot of bad reviews online from people who didn't follow the directions and it didn't work for them.
        • Re: Hair coloring question

          Fri, April 22, 2011 - 2:50 PM
          A gentler option is Neutrogena Clarifying Shampoo. Regular Dawb dishwashing detergent is a great trick as well. It works because it has a higher PH level than shampoo. Hand soap is what my hairstylist recommended to me when i wanted take out some dark brown hair dye i did a while back, it wont completely take it out, but it will help to start lightening the color quicker
  • Re: Hair coloring question

    Sat, April 16, 2011 - 7:34 AM
    With 5-6 layers of black on her hair, it's not going to fade very easily, if much at all. And just because it's demi or semi, doesn't make it less damaging. Especially if she has applied from roots to ends each time.

    You have to gently lift the color out of the ends and then tone back to her natural color. The brown will not do anything to remove the black. Haircolor will not lift out existing color, regardless of the level of permanence.

    It also depends on her natural color, hair texture and hair condition. These are all things a professional will take into consideration and plan what is the best way to get her hair back to where she wants to be. I would recommend going to a professional and getting a consultation done. Color correction is not something that is easily done at home!!
    • Re: Hair coloring question

      Sat, April 16, 2011 - 7:41 AM
      if you *have* to try color oops, start application at the ends, letting it process for a few minutes and slowly work your way up the hair shaft. that way it will diffuse the pigment where it is most concentrated first. I'm guessing she may have some growout, and there is probably less to no pigment near her roots.

      if you apply all over at once, it will process quicker at her roots because of body heat, and since there is no dye there, she will get hot roots, and you will have a whole 'nother problem to worry about.

      Really. Just go to a professional :)
      • Re: Hair coloring question

        Tue, April 26, 2011 - 5:15 PM
        with summer coming, it might be a really good time to get a very close haircut, leaving a few strands or some bangs long for style. Growing out will be a whole new color adventure.
        I'm a few weeks away from a major cut. Scared, but after doing it 4 years ago for cancer, it will be a whole new adventure for me.
        • Re: Hair coloring question

          Wed, April 27, 2011 - 9:52 AM
          Sooooz!! How are you doing, girl?

          Thanks, Ladies, for all your suggestions. What we did (the impatient teenager method) was give her a shampooing with dish soap, which took some color, but since we were starting with non-faded black, well... yeah... better... but... So then we applied the new color and waited anxiously. The roots of course took the color, which turned out to be a bit more red than either of us was anticipating. The main length stayed pretty black. Actually it did have a brown sheen to it. And honestly, it didn't look too bad. Since then she's been washing it every few days with the dish soap, and each time it goes through some kind of "morph" into a slightly different hue of the color combination... not awful, just interesting, and the teenager likes it... :P
          • Re: Hair coloring question

            Wed, April 27, 2011 - 11:34 AM
            If she's happy, I call it a success : ).
            • Re: Hair coloring question

              Wed, April 27, 2011 - 1:14 PM
              Dish soap should be mitigated with copious amounts of conditioner. Even a teen's hair can turn to straw.
              I'm doing well, Shan, always in search of ways to be more beautiful. Aren't we all?
              • Re: Hair coloring question

                Wed, April 27, 2011 - 9:52 PM
                She's using literally like a teaspoon of dishsoap, and she is a big fan of conditioner! So far things are ok, I told her we couldn't try anything else for at least six weeks. Yes, Di, happy teenager (hard to come by sometimes!).

                Sooz, glad to hear it... still motorcycling?

                And we can never be too beautiful... ;)
              • Re: Hair coloring question

                Fri, April 29, 2011 - 4:01 PM
                And Soooz, you'd have some happy friends here if you were willing to post before and after pictures - me, I'd love to see 'em!
                • Re: Hair coloring question

                  Sun, May 1, 2011 - 7:00 PM
                  Shan, yes, still riding, not quite so much, but my chosen biker tribe is first in my heart.
                  Misha: before and after pics of my haircuts/regrowth?
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                    Re: Hair coloring question

                    Sun, May 1, 2011 - 10:52 PM
                    I'm just *now* trying the dish detergent method on a weft of extension hair I bought. I bought it (blonde) several years ago with the intent to tint it my color. At that time, I was using a medium brown color on my own hair and I set aside some colors (medium gold brown and medium red/brown... I'd mix the 2) to use on it...when I had the time. Well today was the day, except that I had since switched to a lighter gold brown shade so my extension hair is now a shade too dark.

                    Since it's extension hair, and not attached to my head, I can do this in a bowl in my kitchen sink. Makes life a lot easier! I've soaked it and washed it several times with Palmolive dish soap. It's truly amazing how colored the water turned! I think a few more washes and it will be just right.

                    I'm so glad I remembered this topic had recently come up!
  • Re: Hair coloring question

    Sat, December 17, 2011 - 11:01 PM
    there is a clairol product they sell to remove the dyes from the hair it comes in a little packet that gets your hair back to being without dyes it works for permanent and semi permanent. it helps the dye whatever color this ensures you don't end up with unexpected results and also the box dyes are terrible and strip the hair. it is not hard to buy and use the professional stuff. you buy the tube or ink dye, then buy the peroxide 20-40 volume, you mix it 1:2 ratio ,,,,,,,,,,,,1 being the dye and 2 being the peroxide volume.

    No brown is not going to override the black easily, it will probably stay looking black, if you get a light permanent color it might bring it up to 4 shades lighter the , a brown might bring it only 2 shades and you might not notice much difference

    i recommend the packet that removes the dyes and sets your hair back to natural, for what she wants she might need just that alone. It helps they sell it in the beauty stores that sell the dyes and wigs and hair peices.

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